Lord, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.
— St Francis of Assisi
In a country where the devil wears condoms and the morning-after pill Postinor is illegal, I was surprised to find that the book, Letter to a Christian Nation by Sam Harris, is available at National Book Store.
Pro-atheist?
Letter to a Christian Nation is considered to be pro-atheism. The author uses a simple argument to help Christians understand what atheism is: If you’re a Christian, then you obviously don’t believe in Allah, in the Quran, and in the Prophet Muhammad. This makes you an atheist of Islam. Using this argument, all Christians are atheists of the religion of Islam. Hence, some Muslim extremists call Christians, infidels. So, in a perfectly-Muslim nation, Christians would be considered atheists.
With regard to the traditional or common definition of an atheist as someone who doesn’t believe in the existence of God or gods, Harris tries to turn the tables on religious believers by saying that an atheist is simply a person who is waiting for evidence (from organized religion) that God exists and he argues that the burden of proof of God’s existence rests on organized religion. Atheists should not be asked to defend their position for they are merely stating the obvious that there is no evidence that God exists.
Or Anti-Christian?
Sam Harris defines a Christian as someone who believes that the Bible is the word of God and that only those who accept Jesus’ divinity will experience salvation. He uses the most obvious strategy to attack a Christian: criticize the Bible. He describes the Bible as an inaccurate and outmoded moral compass. He recounts historical and contemporary evidence to show that the Bible has been less than helpful in the progress of human civilization. He even goes as far as arguing that Christians, the likes of Pope John Paul II and Mother Teresa, have misguided moral beliefs. His expositions are certainly persuasive, more than enough to make a Christian believer cringe.
Or Anti-Religion?
Sam Harris raises concerns about organized religion. He finds it disturbing that Christians have a powerful influence in US courts, schools, and in every branch of government. To a greater extent, the same influence can be seen in the Philippines. Therefore I would suggest that we evaluate Harris’ arguments and reasons and see if we need to be concerned as well. In addition, Harris is alarmed that many religious fanatics believe certain things purely on the basis of the power of religious dogma and even refers to this as a moral and intellectual emergency.
Harris debunks the beliefs that atheism promotes immorality and he dispels the notion that the lack of religion would be detrimental to national development. He cites developed countries such as Norway, Iceland, Australia, Canada, Sweden, Switzerland, Belgium, Japan, the Netherlands, Denmark and the United Kingdom, as countries that are among the least religious. And yet, they are the healthiest, smartest, and wealthiest countries according to the 2005 United Nations Human Development Report.
Letter to a Christian Nation asks us to study the lessons of the past and examine the human sufferings brought about by religion. In doing so, we can’t help but agree with Harris that religious hatreds, religious wars, religious taboos, religious extremism brought about by organized religion and religious sects, should lead any rational human being to the conclusions that organized religion is an unnecessary evil in our society and that it is time to see it as a relic of the past. Having said that, Harris warns us that accepting these conclusions could lead to persecution from your Christian neighbors who have not yet been exposed to facts about the shortcomings and misgivings of organized religion and religious sects.
Or Nothing?
Letter to a Christian Nation discusses the merits of atheism and it presents a good reality check for Christian fanatics. However, the ending of the book is somewhat disappointing. After exposing all the issues, Harris fails to offer solutions. He takes the emergency exit and calls for more public discussions and debates about religion in intellectual and rational arenas. He hopes to see constructive criticism, analytical thinking and reasonable solutions on the issues.
The Next Book
Sam Harris airs the views of an atheist who is anti-religion. I hope he can come up with a sequel to this book that would discuss the other side of atheism - the side that deals with individual spirituality. A discussion of this would help a lot of people who are searching for ways to develop their own personal spirituality and relationship with God or a Higher Power through alternative means. These people are sometimes referred to as borderline atheists/agnostics/non-practicing Christians - They are the ones who adhere to Jesus’ teaching that, When you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.






33 Responses to “A Must-Read for Filipinos: Letter to a Christian Nation by Sam Harris”
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No offense to my atheist friends, sometimes I wonder whether they are anti-Christian, anti-religion, or really anti-God. When they explain why they’re atheist a lot of things against Christianity or religion is mentioned that I wonder if that experience is what made them decide to just rule out God. Oh well, it’s a free world.
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Dear Frances,
As you said, it’s a free world and we’re lucky to live in a free country. It’s nice that people actually have a choice on which beliefs and attitudes they want to adhere to.
However, when we examine the influence of the church in the laws of our land, it’s quite clear that we are not so free after all. Divorce laws and population control programs are just two government initiatives that have been stifled because Christian (mainly Catholic) beliefs are imposed on everyone. When this happens - when religious beliefs are imposed on everyone - then the atheists are left with no choice but to simply rule out God, to make sure that freedom and liberty are preserved. I believe that this is what we mean in our Constitution that there should be separation of church and state.
Regards,
Lester
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Hi Lester,
Nicely put, re, your reply to Frances. New atheism as it’s called by some is a reaction to what role religion is playing in our current (and past?) world. I was happy in my own world not minding the believers but something happened along the way. I realized I must contribute to the debate if only so little I can. I am hoping that in this way, I am helping raise the consciousness of our fellow Pinoys who seem to be stuck in outdated Catholic thinking.
cheers!
kapanalig_sa_wala
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Hello Lester.
The Prayer for Serenity you quoted is actualy attributed to Reinhold Niebuhr and not to St. Francis de Assisi. On the whole, I think that there is a growing trend among Filipinos to take a second look at their so-called “faith” and see the reality. It is this irrational belief in a “god”, in an intelligent designer, that has brought a lot of pain and suffering and confusion to this world.
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I would like to have that book and read it and understand his side before I make my own rebuttals after reading the book. I would stick to my own belief and faith no matter what happens..
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I respect your faith, Ryan C., and I’m looking forward to your rebuttals. However, sticking to one’s faith “no matter what happens” is (I think) not a good thing at all; shouldn’t one be permitted to change one’s mind if evidence against one’s current position comes up?
I’m an atheist, but I will change my mind if I can see evidence of God’s existence. What about you… what will change your mind?
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Hey, thanks for dropping by my blog. Good job on the review. I also recommend “The End of Faith” by Sam Harris which I reviewed here together with “The God Delusion” by Richard Dawkins
http://sirmartin.wordpress.com/2007/08/13/crises-of-faith-a-review-of-and-reflection-on-the-god-delusion-and-the-end-of-faith/
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Hi TonyB,
I know what you mean - We must all contribute to the debate, in our own little way. Otherwise, our freedom to choose will be taken from us by religious leaders who will do everything in their power to have a tight grip on the minds, hearts, and hands of the people.
In the philippineatheists.org/forum, pec2tz98 pointed out to me that there’s an archbishop in Africa who’s claiming that condoms are infected with HIV and anti-retroviral drug.. Whoa!
Cheers,
Lester
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Hello Jerome,
Thanks for the correction about the quote. Growing up Catholic, I was always told that it was St Francis of Assisi who said that prayer. Oh well.. Just goes to show that there’s a lot of misinformation out there. I hope the pinoy blog community will continue to be a powerful force in helping the masses unlearn the things which we’ve been conditioned to believe and learn new ways of, as you said, “seeing the reality”.
What’s reality, anyway? That’s another topic that’s worth a million blogs
Regards,
Lester
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Dear RYAN VICENTE CURIMAO,
Just like micketymoc, I look forward to reading your rebuttals to Sam Harris’ arguments. I must say though, that he’s an extremely convincing writer. The battle of trying to go against a best-selling author might be something that you’re not ready to do yet. You have to remember that many best-selling authors have made writing their profession and career so I’m sure that Harris spent a lot of time on what he wrote.
But hey, I’m sure you think your faith is worth fighting for and I’m sure you’ll find a lot of faults in Harris’ reasoning. As I said, I look forward to reading them. Oh by the way, it appears that someone has already written an antithesis to Harris’ book. The book is entitled “Letter to a Christian Nation: Counter Point†by RC Metcalf. Maybe you could do a book review on it.
Till next time
Lester
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Hi micketymoc,
I’d like to know more about the things and events that happened in your life that led you to denounce religiious belief and accept atheism. I’m sure it’s a liberating experience for you. But isn’t hard sometimes to stand by secularism/atheism when our Filipino culture is deeply-rooted in religious (Catholic) rituals.
I’ve heard a lot of foreigners comment that it’s almost as if Catholicism and Filipino culture are one and the same. Whenever I can, I try to explain to them that there are other religions in our country. The problem is that the church leaders have a stronghold in Philippine politics that a lot of Christian beliefs are unopposed by the state.
Maybe in time things will change. Maybe we can pray for it
(hehe, no offense meant, in case you no longer believe in praying - I grew up Catholic and my entire life has been guided by prayer, which is why I still believe in the power of prayer.
Sincerely,
Lester
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sound good, respect!
i like ur blog, write more..
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Letter to a Christian Nation is a good little polemic by Sam Harris, and a worthy successor to his influential book End of Faith. I would suggest those wanting to read it to first read EoF. I would also suggest that people who liked it to read Richard Dawkins’ The God Delusion and Christopher Hitchens’ god is not Great. They’re both available locally and are very readable.
“I would stick to my own belief and faith no matter what happens..”
Thanks for admitting your closed-mindedness. Indeed, it is such blind faith that all three authors attack. I doubt they’d convince you, since you prefer faith to reason. Good luck writing your rebuttal. I look forward to reading it.
As for my atheism, there’s no tragedy or religious atrocity that made me question my beliefs. I just lost faith in faith after reading too much religious literature from competing traditions.
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Hi Lester,
Not having read the Sam Harris book, but having read much of the debates on Intelligent Design in America, your review sounds fair. Personally, I do not equate religion with God and I respect the beliefs of atheists, agnostics or pagans as much as I respect the beliefs of those that believe in their particular religion.
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Lester,
Some suggested reads:
http://www.detectingdesign.com/Presentations/Lecture%202%20-%20The%20Best%20Arguments%20Against%20ID%202.ppt
http://www.detectingdesign.com/Presentations/Intelligent%20Design%20as%20a%20True%20Science%202.ppt
http://www.detectingdesign.com/Presentations/Best%20Arguments%20Against%20ID.ppt
http://www.detectingdesign.com/Nobel%20Laureates%20Who%20Favor%20Intelligent%20Design.doc
http://www.detectingdesign.com/PDF%20Files/The%20Unity%20of%20Science%20and%20Religion.doc
http://www.detectingdesign.com/godofthegapsdebate.html
http://creationsafaris.com/crev200706.htm
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Lester, here are a few blog entries that will explain the thought process you were asking about:
I explain here that there’s still a part of me that’s Catholic, as far as you can be “Catholic†without believing in God. (I still believe in a Supreme Being, and that’s Mrs. micketymoc.)
I talk here about why I am not a Catholic, and how my responsibilities as a human being do not disappear simply because I don’t believe in a God that enforces those responsibilities.
I explain here about the worst person I ever met in my life: he was a leader of a religious community who claimed to receive visions from Christ. I’ve always been distrustful of God-botherers because of this man – we hear so much about people “changing their ways†after “trusting in the Lordâ€, but how does that explain all the other assholes who say “Lord, Lord†but are the worst excuses for human beings you can find on this Earth?
If you or anybody else has any other questions they want to ask me about atheism, please email me at micketymoc@gmail.com and I’ll be happy to answer them in a future blog post.
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Hi Heathen Dan! Thanks for the book recommendations. I read Mr. Martin Perez’ reviews of those two books. I’m definitely going to read them as soon as I get the chance. Anyway, I wanted to ask you, “What are the things/ideas/theories that are in those two books that can be applied to our Filipino society and culture?”
Hi neonate! Nice to know that you respect all religious beliefs. Thanks for the links. I wish more people would be as open-minded and tolerant as you. By the way, what did you mean when you said, “You do not equate religion with God?” Is it the same as saying, “You do not equate God with religion?”
Hi micketymoc! thanks for the links. I look to forward to reading your thoughts and getting inside your mind
(Sir) Martin Perez, salamat po sa link ng book reviews.
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I suppose the thing you get from reading those books is that we ought to, at the very least, no longer give religion a blank check in our society. They are not above criticism, not their doctrines, not their policies, not their beliefs. Hitchens provides some first-hand accounts, as a war correspondent, of how religion “poisons everything.”
Dawkins attacks the ideas of religion, Hitchens the behavior. Both should be read by our countrymen.
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Hi Heathen Dan, I would have to agree with you that sometimes religion and religious organizations in our country are sometimes above scrutiny. A check-and-balance is sometimes healthy. I heard from a friend that in the US, it is illegal for a religious organization to endorse political candidates - they could lose their tax-free status. Would it be good to apply this same law in the Philippines so that our politicians don’t have to be at the mercy of powerful religious leaders? Just asking…
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Whether Sam Harris believed or not in the existence of God, does not change anything of the truth about God. God is God and humans are creation of God and it is not the other way around.
Since, no human knows about everything and atheists themselves are absolutely not sure of whether God exists or not and since the “Bing-bang” itself is just a theory (meaning not absolute truth!), first let us take a simple lesson in Logic:
There are only 2 possiblities on whether God really exists, that is, 1. God exists or 2. God does not exist. Now, these lead to 4 combinations of our faith and the existence of God:
1. God exists and you believe He exists
2.God exists and you don’t believe He exists
3. God does not exist and you believe He exists
4. God does not exist and you don’t believe He exists
All three cases, 1, 3 and 4 are safe but if case 2 is true, then one is doomed!
Now, I also don’t equal religion with God. Religion is a way of life and does not necessarily teach the truths about God. But God I believe is the Supreme and All Knowing and All Powerful Being who is the source of all life, created all thing for His own purposes and glory (Collosians 1:16).
Should all the people turn to this Supreme Being–their Maker, then they would understand more about themselves, the world and God’s purposes. Then people will not live aimlessly and in vanity. The reason why there is so much trouble in this world is because many people are lost and living in vain.
The greatest revelation of the existence of God is you! No greatest scientist in this world has ever created life. Even clowning is a life borrowed from God.
Suggested inspirational reading: “A Purpose Driven Life” by Rick Warren. This book is no 1 bestseller in the US. Over 6 million copies of this book has already been sold. Read it and you’ll know that Sam Harris is lost, himself.
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@Peacemaker,
There’s too much ignorance in your post, I don’t know where to start. So let’s just go through your post from beginning to end.
“Whether Sam Harris believed or not in the existence of God, does not change anything of the truth about God.”
And your belief in god’s existence won’t change it either.
“God is God and humans are creation of God and it is not the other way around.”
God is the creation of humans, not the other way around. (If you can assert without reason, so can I.)
“Since, no human knows about everything and atheists themselves are absolutely not sure of whether God exists or not”
You don’t need absolute knowledge to show that the existence of your imaginary friend is (almost) absolutely false.
“the ‘Bing-bang’ itself is just a theory (meaning not absolute truth!).”
It’s the Big Bang (minus the scare quotes). I see you don’t know what theory means in a scientific context, and how you then contrast it erroneously against “absolute truth.” A scientific theory is “a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can incorporate facts, laws, inferences, and tested hypotheses” (National Academy of Science). Moreover “in science, theories do not turn into facts through the accumulation of evidence. Rather, theories are the end points of science. They are understandings that develop from extensive observation, experimentation, and creative reflection. They incorporate a large body of scientific facts, laws, tested hypotheses, and logical inferences” (ibid.). As such, they’re ends in themselves, not mere guesses waiting to become facts (or truths). The theory of gravity is “just a theory” yet I doubt you would jump off a tall building because it’s not “absolute truth.” Crack open a science book and maybe you’ll learn more than what Rick Warren would have you know.
“let us take a simple lesson in Logic”
By all means! Unfortunately, one would be ill-served if taught logic by you, as I will endeavor to show.
“There are only 2 possiblities on whether God really exists, that is, 1. God exists or 2. God does not exist.”
Bzzt! Fallacy #1: false dichotomy. I thought you were going to teach us logic? How come you already made an error of logic by claiming that there are only two options? Here’s a third: There is more than one god. Here’s a fourth: God is cognitively meaningless.
Sidenote: Is this it? You’re going to argue using Pascal’s Wager? An argument so specious no serious theologian has put any stock in it for over two hundred years? How underwhelming!
“Now, these lead to 4 combinations of our faith and the existence of God:
1. God exists and you believe He exists
2.God exists and you don’t believe He exists
3. God does not exist and you believe He exists
4. God does not exist and you don’t believe He exists”
Only if there are two options. But since there is more than two, your combination is incomplete.
“All three cases, 1, 3 and 4 are safe but if case 2 is true, then one is doomed!”
You don’t say “all” when you only mean most. Logic is a precise discipline and careless disregard for word usage has destroyed arguments and reputations. Also, I notice that you did not justify why 1 and 3 are safe. Safe from what, exactly? Let’s examine these two choices.
Option 1 states “God exists and you believe He exists.” How is this safe? If god exists but it is not the Christian god, then your belief in Yahweh will make you no more safe (from hellfire, I presume) than me.
Option 3 states “God does not exist and you believe He exists.” How is this safe? Believing in falsehood is not a safe bet. Countless victims of pedophile clergymen have been put in harm’s way by the piety of believers. Believers waste time and money if god is not. One may be safe from hellfire, but then one is also denied a rich and full life by the oppression god-belief has on them.
Also, even if we were to accept your dichotomy that there are only two options, your combination does not exhaust all possible combinations. Option 1 can be split into more combinations:
1a God exists, you believe he exists, and god sends believers to heaven and doubters to hell. (a biased god)
1b God exists, you believe he exists, and god sends both believers and doubters to heaven. (a universalist god)
1c God exists, you believe he exists, and god sends both believers and doubters to hell. (a malicious god)
1d God exists, you believe he exists, but heaven and hell are fantasies. (an indifferent god)
The other combinations can also be subdivided accordingly. You see, in logic one must tackle all possible permutations before making hasty generalizations (which is another error/fallacy). If you want to impress your logic upon us, at least try to follow the rules of logical discourse. God forbid if your limited choices are all wrong, then the truth will never be attained.
On a different note, it is interesting that on the subject as weighty as the existence of the creator/s of the universe you think it ok to talk in terms of what you can get out of it. If god exists and you believe, then jackpot, you just won the cosmic lottery! You are now “safe.” Would your god appreciate it that the main reason you persist in your faith is because you are concerned with your soul’s afterlife. Isn’t that the peak of selfishness? Choose belief and you will be safe no matter the outcome. It’s a safe bet!
I would rather believe that the creator, if such a being exists, would prefer those who would rather disbelieve than to believe just for the possibility of getting something in return. Which is the better person, one who believes because he’s hoping to be on god’s good side, or one who believes because he has weighted the evidence fairly and choose to believe? Pascal’s Wager, which your “simple logic” promotes, would turn believers into self-serving opportunists.
“Now, I also don’t equal religion with God. Religion is a way of life and does not necessarily teach the truths about God. But God I believe is the Supreme and All Knowing and All Powerful Being who is the source of all life, created all thing for His own purposes and glory (Collosians 1:16).
Should all the people turn to this Supreme Being–their Maker, then they would understand more about themselves, the world and God’s purposes. Then people will not live aimlessly and in vanity. The reason why there is so much trouble in this world is because many people are lost and living in vain.”
You misspelled Colossians. And your confessional stance, while mildly interesting, neither illuminates your argument nor prove anything about your god’s existence. Remember what you just wrote above” “Whether Sam Harris believed or not in the existence of God, does not change anything of the truth about God.” That statement equally applies to you. You may believe in god till the cows come home, but if he does not exist, (and by extension, if Chist is not risen by a nonexistent deity) then your beliefs are in vain (1 Cor 15:16). (I can’t pass up quoting scripture.)
“The greatest revelation of the existence of God is you! No greatest scientist in this world has ever created life. Even clowning is a life borrowed from God.”
This, I submit, is one of the greatest reasons people stick to god-belief even in the face of reason and evidence. God-belief makes people feel special. It gives a warm-fuzzy feeling to those who cannot think of a purpose in life other than to surrender their brains to the imaginary sky-fairy. “No sir, I’m no mere shaved monkey, I am the greatest revelation of god’s existence, the pinnacle of his creation, born in the image and likeness of the very creator of the universe himself!” Such enormous hubris and vanity!
“Suggested inspirational reading: “A Purpose Driven Life†by Rick Warren. This book is no 1 bestseller in the US. Over 6 million copies of this book has already been sold. Read it and you’ll know that Sam Harris is lost, himself.”
Tell you what, I’ll re-read Warren’s book (didn’t do anything for me much the first time around) if you read Sam Harris’ book The End of Faith. Then let’s compare notes. Or better yet, read Robert M. Price’s The Reason Driven Life. Unlike Warren’s dull platitudes, Price’s tome is chockful of good stuff. (Robert M. Price is a New Testament scholar who reads the bible in the original greek.)
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Dear Heathen Dan:
Firstly, I do thank you for taking time to comment on every statement that I made in this forum. As I read your comments, I can see that even though you don’t believe in God who created humans (as you asserted that God is the creation of humans), you are very much interested in this subject of “god” or the “creator”. And so, I think we have a common ground.
I understand your arguments very well and where you are coming from. But I think you miss the main point of the general argument about the existence of God. Here, I am not even introducing the God of the Bible (Christian God). If you take the side that God exists (2), then, there are again many possibilities who the real God is as you have enumerated some possibilities.
Now, the subject of “believing”, again, has many dimensions. In the context of my comments, I use the word “believe” to assume that if somebody believe in God, then one would give all his/her energy in the pursuit of God. And if the truly Almighty, All Knowing, All powerful Supreme being exists, then that person will find Him. Take note, in the story in the Bible, even the Devil, himself, believed in God yet, he is not saved.
Now, I agree, with you that “if Christ indeed, did not rise from the dead, then the Christians are most pitied people in this world and are living in vain. So, if this is true and if indeed, there is no God, then, one can go ahead and indulge in all the pleasures of the world one can enjoy. Stop caring about what people will say and also stop caring about the misguided religions and their influences. Go ahead and do whatever you wishes, if indeed, there is no God to judge every motive and deed.
I don’t know what kind of proof of the existence of God you are waiting for. I also see that you have given christian author(s?) a chance and I think you are also interested in the Bible. Now, you can read as many books as there is in this world, yet nothing will prove to you the existence of God. I’ll tell you the “secret”, open and submit your heart to God and you’ll find Him. I challenge you, start talking to God and and to your surprise He’ll answer you.
Please consider this Bible passage:
“So that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.”
Philippians 2:10-11
I tell you, YOU are indeed special, not just to make you feel good, but it is true–you are special and created with great potential.
Yours,
Peacemaker.
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At the end of it all, we atheist are just waiting (^^,)
“With regard to the traditional or common definition of an atheist as someone who doesn’t believe in the existence of God or gods, Harris tries to turn the tables on religious believers by saying that an atheist is simply a person who is waiting for evidence (from organized religion) that God exists and he argues that the burden of proof of God’s existence rests on organized religion. Atheists should not be asked to defend their position for they are merely stating the obvious – that there is no evidence that God exists.”
I’ve been at that state ever since i came to free my mind, anyway even believers are waiting to, though there’s a big question on existence of this fairytales (^^,)
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‘Sorry, Lester, for being “makulit” but I just want to drop another message to our atheist brothers(/sisters).
I am happy to know that “an atheist is simply a person who is waiting for evidence (from organized religion) that God exists” (Chocoerin above). However, I don’t believe that an organized religion will be able to provide an evidence of the existence of God that they are waiting for (although, sometimes it works). To me an organized religion stumbles people more often than not. And in my opinion, a lot of people become atheists because the organized religion can not provide for the truth they are looking for. Mahatma Gandhi said this to the Christians: “You are saying you are Christians, yet you are very different from Christ”.
I am a Christian, myself (don’t need to say, I think it’s obvious) and I believe that God does not want people to keep guessing whether He exists or not nor keep Himself away from people. There are several ways God reveals himself, the two specific ones are (1) a general revelation where God reveals himself through creation (contrary to the belief of blind randomness), and (2) specifically through the Bible, who the Christians believe to be the word of God and reveal through the Prophets.
I believe that the way to find God is not through organized religion but through personal pursuit of God. I challenge our friends out there, instead of spending all your energy to prove that there is no God, why don’t you shift this energy to look for the existence of God. If the past approach did not work, like doing research, try another approach.
This blog contains a very good discussion on God and science.
http://www.soulcast.com/post/show/87203/The-Scientist-and-God.
Thank you.
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Dear Peacemaker, thanks for recommending Rick Warren’s “A Purpose-Driven Life.†I’ve heard good things about it. Anyway, I’m not sure if we can say that Sam Harris is lost. What we can say about him though is that he is searching – for the truth! He is also an advocate of secularism. For all we know, he could be a modern-day prophet. If we look at the great religious leaders of the past, all of them started out as “atheistsâ€. They introduced new/better deities or improved beliefs to the people. To name a few, we have Abraham who taught his followers that paganism is not right and that we should practice monotheism. We also have Jesus who started calling God, Father. He introduced a more personal religious experience with God. The Prophet Mohammad had to leave the city of Mecca because he was preaching a new faith. What if, and I mean what if, the “atheists†of today are just the new prophets of a religion we have no name for yet. Oh and by the way, just be as makulit as you wanna be.
Hi Heathen Dan, well said. You must be one helluva voracious reader. Keep it up! I wish I had the time (and the money?) to read books day and night. Maybe someday…
Hi Chocoerin, hope to see you at one of the bus stops to heaven. I got off from my previous bus because the driver was a bit too bossy. I’m waiting for my new bus too. While waiting, I’m trying to see if I can come up with ways on my own to get to my destination – enlightenment. See you there!
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ok, we cannot disprove what is not proven yet, this is like saying, treating when there is no injury…
purpose vs reason, i came to look into a better book than “purpose driven life” (which only repeated everyday mass), that is “reason driven life” by Robert m. Price…
plus, watch the movie, “the god that wasn’t there”, a very good movie, but i think they won’t show it here because we are in a freaking judeo-christian country…
Richard Dawkin’s “God Delusion” is still on my top 10…
by the way, i won’t advice you to read the bible because it contradicts what it wrote, evilbible.com
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Hi Chocoerin, thanks for the book and movie recommendations. Let’s hope that the powerful and revolutionary ideas in them reach the consciousness of our masses. Let’s work together to make it happen. Best regards, Lester
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Thanks Lester.
To: Chocoerin:
If you find that the “purpose driven life” is boring, I can recommend you to read the book by C. S. Lewis: “Mere Christianity”. This book is more of logic and reason. C. S. Lewis was at Oxford University. He is the author of the “Chronicles of Narnia” and a good friend of J. R. R. Tolkien, author of the “Lord of the Rings”.
BTW, don’t you think it is bias to conclude or judge on something that one have not read or investigated. I know many smart people have tried to discredit the bible but also many clever people believe it and have answers to the many questions and doubts about it:
For example: How does archaeology conclusively demonstrate the Bible to be reliable and unique among all the holy books of world religions?; Man-made structures mentioned in the bible—Have archaeologists found any?
If you are interested to find answer, you may want to visit the following sites:
http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/bib-docu.html
http://www.christiananswers.net/archaeology/
According to www.soulcast.com:
“Most disputes about the truthfulness of the Bible can be grouped into three categories: (1) misunderstandings; (2) ignorance of the facts; (3) dislike of its teachings.
http://answers.org/bible/reliable.html
and then the coolest website of all and probably the one who will answer questions you haven’t even thought about.—-
http://www.answersingenesis.org/
Yes… let’s all get enlightenment!
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I agree with you Peacemaker! Let’s all get enlightenment and let’s all get enlightened… Trouble is, how do we agree on which path to take? Would your religion allow nonbelievers to choose their own path? Or would your leaders be quick to say that salvation only belongs to those who believe in their God. Far too often, we see religious leaders imposing their beliefs on the nonbelievers. History will show that many religious movements, including monotheistic beliefs such as Christianity and Islam, were persecuted by polytheists. Who knows, maybe the atheists, who are being persecuted today by monotheists, are actually promoting a new religious movement. There are many atheists who do not believe in the “Old Man in the Sky” kind of God, but some of them do believe in the “Higher Power” that dwells within themselves and within every organism in the universe. The debate continues… Let’s keep sharing our ideas and maybe, we’ll find something that we can all agree on. Cheers
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I believe, our way of life is influenced by something that we believe, but we disagree on which way is the best. I would say that if we (let’s assume) find the “Truth” (the absolute truth), do you think there is an alternative for the nonbelievers of that truth? If we find the truth ourselves, we do not need to rely on our leaders. For example, in the bible: John 3:16 says “For God so loved the world that He gave us His only begotten son that whoever believe in Him will not perish but have eternal life.” In this passage, we do not need anybody to interpret to us what it means because its message and words are simple and anybody can understand it.
As for which way to go, I suggest we all take the “Search” path… And at the end of the day, if we believe that we found some results, we also need to subject them to “some kind of test”. Meaning, we have to do some hypothesis test whether the results are consistent with empirical evidence (data). Although, this procedure is kind of subject to error since we do not have all the data that we need, we need to consider an attribute called “Faith”.
“Faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see”. Hebrews 11:1
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Magellan brought us the wrong religion. Or we are just unpreferred by the gods.
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